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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-313</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @pwalker 
Hi Terri,  On the guider suggestion, the &quot;problem&quot; is I&#039;m not using a laptop or other computing device so I use a Celestron NexGuide, stand alone autoguider (has a litt...]]></description>
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<p>Hi Terri,  On the guider suggestion, the "problem" is I'm not using a laptop or other computing device so I use a Celestron NexGuide, stand alone autoguider (has a little built-in display and plugs directly into the mount's autoguider port, no computer required (and can't be used with one).  Actually I'm using a NexGuide <strong>so</strong> I don't have to use a computer.</p>
<p>I have tried smaller scopes with it but it needs the 90mm aperture to get down to 6.5 or 7th mag stars for guiding.  Even then I need the "alt-az" platform I built for the guidescope to find a bright enough star to guide on.   Someday I may switch over to using a laptop.  I have one I could use.  Probably will kick myself someday for not doing that sooner.  Now that I have my observatory deck, and the way I have things set up it would be fairly easy to incorporate a laptop.  The roll off shed has a fold down shelf that's only a few feet from the scope and I can run the cable(s) from the laptop to the scope through conduit that's already in place under the decking.  I have power litterally under my feet with is piece of decking hinged for easy access (that's also where the end of the conduit is).</p>
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<p>I forgot about your stand alone guider setup, I understand now.     You need a makeover!    Dealing with just 6.5 or mag 7 stars must be tough!</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://vtastro.org/community/images/">Images</category>                        <dc:creator>Terri Zittritsch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-312</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @ron-anstey 
@terri I&#039;m liking this.
ron

Ron, thank you so much!   Good to see you on the forum!
 
Terri]]></description>
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<p>@terri I'm liking this.</p>
<p>ron</p>
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<p>Ron, thank you so much!   Good to see you on the forum!</p>
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<p>Terri</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://vtastro.org/community/images/">Images</category>                        <dc:creator>Terri Zittritsch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-309</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@terri I&#039;m liking this.
ron]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@terri I'm liking this.</p>
<p>ron</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-308</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Terri,  On the guider suggestion, the &quot;problem&quot; is I&#039;m not using a laptop or other computing device so I use a Celestron NexGuide, stand alone autoguider (has a little built-in display an...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Terri,  On the guider suggestion, the "problem" is I'm not using a laptop or other computing device so I use a Celestron NexGuide, stand alone autoguider (has a little built-in display and plugs directly into the mount's autoguider port, no computer required (and can't be used with one).  Actually I'm using a NexGuide <strong>so</strong> I don't have to use a computer.</p>
<p>I have tried smaller scopes with it but it needs the 90mm aperture to get down to 6.5 or 7th mag stars for guiding.  Even then I need the "alt-az" platform I built for the guidescope to find a bright enough star to guide on.   Someday I may switch over to using a laptop.  I have one I could use.  Probably will kick myself someday for not doing that sooner.  Now that I have my observatory deck, and the way I have things set up it would be fairly easy to incorporate a laptop.  The roll off shed has a fold down shelf that's only a few feet from the scope and I can run the cable(s) from the laptop to the scope through conduit that's already in place under the decking.  I have power litterally under my feet with is piece of decking hinged for easy access (that's also where the end of the conduit is).</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://vtastro.org/community/images/">Images</category>                        <dc:creator>Paul Walker</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-307</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @greg-erianne 

 Posted by: @terri 
Tried fixing stars and think I made them worse.
 
 
 NGC6946_small.jpg

I agree with Paul, Terri. This looks great!  Big improvement.
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<p>Tried fixing stars and think I made them worse.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
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<p>I agree with Paul, Terri. This looks great!  Big improvement.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Greg</p>
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<p>Thanks Greg, I do like the galaxy, but it's suffering from the same smearing as the stars.   But I did get descent color and exposure with the OSC.   I love that these new cameras have no amp glow or gradients to get rid of.    Very clean processing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://vtastro.org/community/images/">Images</category>                        <dc:creator>Terri Zittritsch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-306</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @pwalker 
That&#039;s too bad about having to send the scope back.  I expect mirror shift is at least part of what is limiting the subs on my setup, especially when I have the 10&quot; f4 ...]]></description>
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<p>That's too bad about having to send the scope back.  I expect mirror shift is at least part of what is limiting the subs on my setup, especially when I have the 10" f4 on it. The primary locks down on the 10" but I use a small 90mm Cassegrain scope for autoguiding. It is not a high-end scope, it's primary can't be locked down so it likely shifts slowly.  I use it straight through, I never use the flip mirror.  So between the guider's primary shifting, the connecting hardware between the guide and main scope I am limited to 4 minutes subs.  I was thinking the secondary on the 10" may shift a little as well but it's a Schmidt-Newtonian so that's unlikely.  The other scope I use on the mount are Newtonian so there may be some rotation of the secondary/flexing of the spider for the secondary on those.  I don't normally see any jumps between images just a small consistent shift between images so most of the issue is likely the main scope to guide scope hardware.</p>
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<p>You know Paul, for 40" of focal length you really do not need a very long guide scope.  I'd replace that SCT guide scope with a short tube 60 to 80mm aperture scope.   PHD2 does sub-pixel guiding and the latest version uses multiple stars, so it's very accurate.    For my TEC 140 I can get away with a 240mm guide scope, although I do have a 400 mm one as well.    For the SCT I might have to resort to an OAG, which I have, but I just dread using it.    Me and OAGs haven't gotten along in the past. </p>
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<p>Terri</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-304</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @terri 
Tried fixing stars and think I made them worse.
 
 
 NGC6946_small.jpg

I agree with Paul, Terri. This looks great!  Big improvement.
 
Greg]]></description>
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<p>Tried fixing stars and think I made them worse.</p>
<p> </p>
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<p>I agree with Paul, Terri. This looks great!  Big improvement.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Greg</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-303</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[That&#039;s too bad about having to send the scope back.  I expect mirror shift is at least part of what is limiting the subs on my setup, especially when I have the 10&quot; f4 on it. The primary loc...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's too bad about having to send the scope back.  I expect mirror shift is at least part of what is limiting the subs on my setup, especially when I have the 10" f4 on it. The primary locks down on the 10" but I use a small 90mm Cassegrain scope for autoguiding. It is not a high-end scope, it's primary can't be locked down so it likely shifts slowly.  I use it straight through, I never use the flip mirror.  So between the guider's primary shifting, the connecting hardware between the guide and main scope I am limited to 4 minutes subs.  I was thinking the secondary on the 10" may shift a little as well but it's a Schmidt-Newtonian so that's unlikely.  The other scope I use on the mount are Newtonian so there may be some rotation of the secondary/flexing of the spider for the secondary on those.  I don't normally see any jumps between images just a small consistent shift between images so most of the issue is likely the main scope to guide scope hardware.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://vtastro.org/community/images/">Images</category>                        <dc:creator>Paul Walker</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-302</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 01:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks Paul, i did a linear deconvolution to try to minimize the elongated stars.  I also did a separate processing of stars and galaxy which helped preserve more color.   I was disappointed...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul, i did a linear deconvolution to try to minimize the elongated stars.  I also did a separate processing of stars and galaxy which helped preserve more color.   I was disappointed to have to send the OTA back to Celestron with jupiters opposition coming up.   But it wasn’t holding collimation and the mirror movement was excessive.   I hope they can remedy it.  Costs a lot to ship that thing to California and back!</p>
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<p>terri</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Fireworks Galaxy NGC6946</title>
                        <link>https://vtastro.org/community/images/fireworks-galaxy-ngc6946/#post-301</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2022 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think they are better.  I like the overall result much better.  Eventual the viewer may notice a few of the brightest stars look a little off due to the effort to preserve their colors.  I...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are better.  I like the overall result much better.  Eventual the viewer may notice a few of the brightest stars look a little off due to the effort to preserve their colors.  I find no issue with images where the center of the brightest stars being completely saturated (white).  The halos will still show the star's color. It's more like the view through a telescope which may be why it happens to be my preference.</p>
<p>Definitely a more pleasing result.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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